So does reading Harry Potter make me a real life wizard?

So outside of tech info, I hardly ever post to this site but today I read something that riled me up enough to respond publicly.

"So people who read videogame magazines don't really play videogames... "

The message went on to make other comparisons and ended implying that people who read lolicon/shotacon manga must really be snatching children and having sex with them.

There were a bunch of responses to this troll, which have all been deleted along with the message. Don't feed the trolls people. It's not your place.

Especially don't feed a troll who cherry picks things to compare loli manga to, and completely ignores the most obvious comparisons that don't support his point. People who read fictional work *rarely* every go out and live out those fictions. People who read murder mysteries rarely go out and murder people. People who read about space travel are rarely ever astronauts. People who read about dragons and elves rarely go out believing that they really exist. And of course, people who read lolicon and shotacon rarely ever try to live it out.

Why? Because we have all been trained to understand there is a clear separation between reality and fiction. Only fools, babes, and trolls try to blur that line.

So in the future people, if someone asserts that reading loli makes you a real-life pedo then point them here and ask: "So does reading Harry Potter make me a real life wizard?"

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reading the replies, it

reading the replies, it seems adults visit this site as well in contrary to my belief that only teen--usually boy-- between age 15-21(I) would be watching this. seriously all of u seemed so dam mature and people who can write so well i believe do not have such low inteligence as to not able to differentiate fantasy and reality or to act upon that fantasy. and uh man wth? hope this aint some hobby for any of u , only a type of entertainment to see the posibilities of our fantasy. awesome clerification Oniichan!

I guess i ain't the only otaku in this world.

If I follow this troll's

If I follow this troll's logic, then by virtue of my D&D characters, I must be a 12th level paladin and 8th level sorcerer simultaneously. Oh the experience penalties I must incur!

its sad because i want to do what i read?

does this make me bad, because yes i know the line between reality and fiction, but i realy wish i could do what i read about, such as being a wizard, but then i could make the comparision that stars wars fans want to be jedi, but all in all i aggrea with you, just because you enjoy reading it, doesnt mean you will do it. even though i think other people like myself would want to, they just know that its not sociably acceptable

sorry for spelling its late :)

Guilt By Association

I don't dispute your argument, and in fact agree with it, but can see how the masses can be easily misled. If I remember correctly, there was a report done by Bachman & Anderson some years ago which tried to show a direct correlation between exposure to violence via the media, primarily video games, and actual physical violence. This received significant press coverage since it was in part funded by those who wished to validate the correlation. However, there are those like Stephen King who have publicly expressed their belief that fiction can be a form of release, including video game violence, but don't seem to receive the same amount of press coverage. The problem is that the media loves to portray the negative because drama sells, and there will always be a small minority that will detract from the greater whole.

Pedophilia is not simply a contagion that one can be exposed to and catch like the common cold or flu. Some might think of it as an abhorrent behavior. However, it was not too long ago in accordance with history where women at ages of twelve and younger would be married off to middle-aged men. When the rules of a society changes, so to does the expectation of behavior on its citizens. When specific individuals choose not to conform, then those people are deemed to be abnormal, and even possibly dangerous. Unfortunately, the portrayal by those who believe themselves to be role models of current society is that it is the content and not the form which dictates abnormality. Most pedophiles prefer images of real children, and not necessarily manga. However, at some point in time there will definitely be some pedophile who is caught who will indeed possess loli and/or shota, and that individual will allow the media and others to present that form of manga as having a negative affect on children and adults.

A child who exhibits a schizotypal personality disorder might one day grow up to be an otaku, but could also be willing to believe in magic and dragons. Being an otaku isn't necessarily a bad thing, nor is wanting to believe in a fantasy that could make your life more pleasant. It is when one goes to the extreme of becoming delusional and acting out in a manner that disregards the welfare of ones self or others that it is then taken too far. So it is not simply the availability or exposure that makes someone a pedophile, but their willingness to act out the behavior. If a child acts out in violence, and enjoys violent video games, the problem is not in the game, but in the underlying behavior. Why does that child not seem to possess any self-control? Sadly, the majority of the public wants quick answers, and someone to blame other than themselves. In the end many can become ostracized who simply choose not to conform to the standards of others because they are already in possession of their own set of standards which in some cases are even higher than that of the surrounding society.

With all that said, I'm not a loli or shota obsessed fan. Some of it turns me off, but I understand that some artists are just attempting to push boundaries, or fulfill a niche. If I don't like something, I don't read it. Unfortunately that's not true for others, and should some day a time come when a pedophile be caught possessing loli and/or shota, it is quite possible that it will be the fans and artists who will also be seen as guilty through association; even when there is none.

Does Playing Videogames Make Me Kill People?

I play videogames where my character kills people. Millions of others play the same games. Has the murder rate gone up and we didn't notice?

Its Only Hentai

I have always viewed my hentai collections as being something of a cartoon fantasy. Just because I may find the dick girls doujins to be hot doesn't mean the real world one will not make me puck. The same concept can be said for lolicon, because most of the people who vist this site want to see cartoon character do the nasty. If there are those that actually do that stuff in real life, I doubt that any hentai site is morally responsible. I would have to wonder how someone who is interested in incest can think there morally bound to call a genre out?

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Retreat and you will age, be afraid and you will die!" - Zangetsu,Bleach

lol

i bet he voted for bush too
they seem to have a mind link

bush

i voted for bush. twice even.

As did I.

As did I.

If I could make myself the

If I could make myself the devil's advocate here for a moment, I agree that reading lolicon doesn't make you act like a pedophile. However, the fantasy is there, just as one can have the fantasy of being a wizard when reading Harry Potter. But being a wizard is completely out of reach. For that matter, murder isn't out of reach, but violence is more accepted by North American society then sex is. I'm not criticising lolicon, far from it, but I do agree that there is a fantasy there and if one goes as far then to condemn the fantasy itself, as society does for pedophilia, then I can understand the point of view of that individual (even if I don't agree with it).

In the end, whether you accuse or respond, I'm of the opinion that keeping your cool is the better way to act.

The Way I Figure It.....

whats one more taboo on the whole "ITS PORN, STUPID" list? I mean, think about it....sex in general is already a huge taboo in most countries (not that you'd know it nowadays....but it still is). Whats a little more in that regard? Same goes with any other kind of porn thats not the "standard" hetero sex scenes. Bestiality, gay/lesbian/transgender/wtf, guro, and whatever the fuck other kinds of porn/hentai are out there are all "pushing the envelope" so to speak anyway.

And yes, people are stupid. Its kind of why people freak out when GTA goes retail or....iono, they freak out when the Catholic Church decides that Harry Potter is only read by heretics or something. Humanity in general is, by and large, one huge mass of stupidity on crack. As Terry Pratchet once wrote, "the intelligence of a mob is the average of the total IQ of everyone in the mob divided by its dumbest member."

"It is good, that you

"It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly," wrote Cardinal Ratzinger.
- http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/jul/05071301.html

When he said that:

a) He wasn't even the pope
b) His criticism is totally dependant on the idea that witchcraft is a real thing. If you don't think witchcraft is real (most people) then you really don't need repeat his ideas.

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Most people I've talked to

Most people I've talked to aren't worried about pedophiles as much as they are child rapists. Rape is a violent act. And we can expect the same inhibitions that keep adult males from raping females in general, will keep pedophiles from raping children.

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The thing is...

No reading does not make you a offender, if you have to read about a dictator for a school related project does that in turn make you like that dictator not at all.

The thing is people think that "we" as in fans of loli are going to do these things because of the few freaks out there that do it say they get the idea from reading about it. What we must do because of a few idiots is really nothing new, we all must do something in our life that was the outcome of some idiots plan to scapegoat us so they will not get the full blame.

well...

you brought up a well developed good point

I won't feed any trolls, a Tancist's word of honor.

About reading lolikon-it's more problematic than other content because we are scapegoats of the entire H-community. And it's in fashion to blame all kinds of people in pedophilia to slander them, just as merely three decades ago it was blaming people that they are Gay. So I say "live and let all other literary perverts live", spoken as a bibliophile in deed.

Not to be snide but... I

Not to be snide but... I wouldn't really ocmpare lolicon fans to any other oppressed group. Because lolicon fans never really congregate together or attempt to defend their rights. When was the last time you saw a lolicon sit-in?

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Wait, does this mean I won't

Wait, does this mean I won't get a 13 inches fat dick after reading a stereotype lolicon manga?!

BAAAAAAAW!

Right

This actually makes sence.
Oniichan you have a good point there.
Reading about it and doing it are two very different things.

Greatings from Italy

I like this kind of art...go on

ciao

Sad but true >.<

I have only told a few people about my intrest in Lolicon that i know but each time i have to dedicat a half hour to defending myleagle right to be around children. Why cant people see that my intrest is fantasy only >.<

Note: You don't actually

Note: You don't actually have a legal right to be around children. I think you're taking the "right to assemblage" and extending it too far.

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nii-san, say it isn't so ;_;

THIS EXPLAINS WHY I READ THE HOBBIT AND LORD OF THE RINGS AND DIDN'T TURN INTO A HOBBIT.

TROLLS are BIATCHES!!

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